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Post by Prakash Kumar on Mar 13, 2014 19:52:35 GMT 5.5
[Admin Note: This thread was separated from another thread, Disappearing Water Sources and Water Supply in Kakching in the same board.]How long this discussion is going to be continue. What is the solution and action plan for that. I believe Kakching have now 2 water line connection at each Leikai. Please correct me for this information. At any water line connection Leikai can install solar water purification system. Each house required 10lt daily. if there are 20-30 houses in each Leikai, then it required 200-300lts daily. Install 4 kent water purifier and run that by solar in day time, so they don't have to install big battery bank. you have to install only 2 solar panel - 250w x 2 nos. + Hybrid Inverter + 120ah24v battery. Approx. cost would be @rs.1/lt in a year. Every extra expense would be @rs.10,000/-. Let Leikai pay Rs.2/lt for that. But big question will Leikai pay for that.
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Post by Thoithoi O'Cottage on Mar 14, 2014 6:16:27 GMT 5.5
Ah! Solar water purification system--this sounds a really interesting idea. But would you kindly talk more about (i) the science of solar water purification system, and (ii) how it works/functions, in plain enough terms for the common people (including myself) who don't know about this technology to understand?
Could you also talk about how such a program (if not redundant) , when the water (if the scheme functions well) will comes already purified?
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Post by Prakash Kumar on Mar 14, 2014 13:26:06 GMT 5.5
I need 2 members as a investors each member has to invest 25K. 3rd member would be my self & 4th Member our MLA. You have to select 1 member from that Leikai to maintain & collect payment for use water. We will be providing job to that person & on that Leikai would be getting purified water. ROI would be 2 years. But big question will Leikai pay for that. If not then close this discussion. Like I said ideas & solutions are their but people acceptance won't be their. Yes! if its free every one want. Like Minister of New and Renewable Energy Dr. Farooq Abdullah written letter to PM to provide 100% subsidy to North East region, reason North East can't pay 10% also. Dr. Farooq Abdullah request to Power Ministers of North Eastern States to maximize use of renewable energy.....but any step from Manipur, Big No. Under Off-grid and Decentralized Solar Applications Scheme of JNNSM, the Ministry provides capital subsidy of 30 % ranging from Rs. 30/- to Rs.135/- per Wp capacity solar PV systems/power plants depending upon their configurations and capacities to various categories of the beneficiaries. In special category States and North East the subsidy is 90% ranging from Rs. 90/- to 405/- per wp. However, 90% subsidy will be available to Government Institutions like schools, colleges, hospitals, panchayat ghar, police stations etc. pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=72981What is the benchmark cost for North East Rs.405/wp and other state Rs.135/wp. Every Year 200Cr we don't use which is sanction for North East. Just imagine last 10 years down the line...this money goes to state development and where is development ... Still Kakching want free.....
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Post by Thoithoi O'Cottage on Mar 15, 2014 17:17:29 GMT 5.5
Given the general failure of the Kakching Water Supply scheme (I hear that something is being or has been done to get the scheme right back on the track) and the fact that most (almost all, except most Turel Wangma?) households are buying water from private suppliers, I believe any water purifier scheme (private or public) at every leikai would be appreciated highly by the people. Some 15-20 years ago when there were issues of water scarcity (specially drinking water) during dry seasons, some government agency (is that Nehru Yuv Kendra or something?) installed a water purifier/filtering tank on the bank of a few community ponds. Those were praised highly, though the things stopped functioning from improper handling/use, and from not being looked after well. That was free, but a paid service (at their disposal) should be more welcome than the service provided now by the private suppliers. If anybody wants to start a water business, I believe this would be economically feasible! No fear! However, a physical field/spot research/survey should be advisable, for none but the very locals and localities will give you the required information. It follows that we can continue our discussion on this topic here, if you, Prakash Kumar, are willing, and any member or members feel like participating, while your team (if you have formed one) can appropriately conduct the field survey. It's no harm, but for the better. As regards the two local partners, I think there must be several of them who would be interested in the idea, if and only if your business idea will work, and they will get their fair share from it. Rs. 25,000 is not much nowadays, but there will be hardly anybody who would invest their hard-earned money in something uncertain, after a lot of experiences of uncertainty we have had in Manipur, which means that it depends on how convincingly you put your point (no matter how genuine your business is). But yes, it's all between you and them. Well, you know better about your business and how to get it on the ground, but would you kindly tell us about the purification technology which your business will use? I don't mind you getting to the scientific details, but it would be convenient for all if you give us an overview of that technology. And also how your business will work--what water you will use as your raw material, etc. Please keep whichever business secret you want to keep with yourself, but it would be nice for all, you also , if you let people know they can expect something. Without knowing, people don't expect, and they don't buy. That is why companies spend quite huge funds in advertising their products. We will talk business here, politics here, and any people even with vested interests can join us, talk their business, politics, propaganda, and we will ask questions (if necessary and appropriate) as devils advocates (at appropriately varying degrees of severity ). But your thread needs no advocate, I guess!
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Post by naoremgs on Mar 16, 2014 2:24:13 GMT 5.5
Please share about the purifier plant schematic giving ideas about size, the different units of purifications, the nature of input water, how it can be continuously given and the output supply plan reaching to house hold units.
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Post by Thoithoi O'Cottage on Mar 16, 2014 7:38:42 GMT 5.5
Ah! Oja naoremgs has put the question succinctly very well, which I did not how to ask (as I know nothing about such things). This proves conversations are meaningful when there are at least two knowledgeable persons (or experts) participating. I think oja Prakash Kumar will enlighten us about this purification plant, and its business. Now, oja Prakash Kumar! [I'll add this again: Please keep with yourself anything you think is your business secret. We're just curious to know how that science/technology works, and how you will get water for input, and such general things.]
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Post by Ajit Naorem on Mar 16, 2014 10:42:56 GMT 5.5
A woman from Kakching Chumnang Leikai carrying drinking water from a long distance. At Kakching there are lot of lower class families who could n’t buy water from private water tankers. Middle and upper class families are buying water even if they have alternative means of getting water. The mindset of such people has show off or status symbol as they are doing. We need to change this mindset.
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Post by Prakash Kumar on Mar 30, 2014 10:41:43 GMT 5.5
Good to have more members & interest on water purification.
Soon I be coming to Kakching, mostly next month, some investor are coming to Manipur with me, project on solar power plant / Resort / Water purification system.
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Post by kkelvins on Apr 6, 2014 14:14:59 GMT 5.5
If such things does work then the whole process of reviving the OLD water supply will be delayed further as it will be another white wash on the eyes of the public. The contractors for the present water supply revival scheme are the most loyal acolytes of the MLA of Kakching. The new proposed solar purification plan for which the local MLA will be a member makes it more gloomy.It makes such effort another convenient way for politics and domination of the public. Further its give an ample opportunity to the present contractors to divert the minds of the public from the present scheme . No doubt,everyone will be happy in getting the water but will forget about how those contractors have got the public fund and left the project unfinished. If the Local MLA is to be a member for the new scheme, why can't we ask for his intervention in completing the present project for which he is very acquainted with. The proposed solar purification plan might be having its pros as immediate relief but it will surely make a deadly blow to the public drinking water supply system.
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Post by Dr. Lalit Pukhrambam on Apr 6, 2014 20:31:35 GMT 5.5
A healthy competition is good for business and consumers. MLA should be kept out of the private business undertaking. That will be the best. But KMC may be informed of the business undertaking as it may need to take business permission. There is no culture of venture capitalist in Manipur, and especially at Kakching. So, to find genuine investors may be difficult. To begin with, a society may be formed to invest in the project. Nonetheless, selling your current idea and future projection to the investors and consumers are the key. Similar success undertakings at other places like the size of Kakching will help to build confidence of the consumers and investors. Later on you can sell shares once you show ROI, as you projected within 2 years. What is the sustainability of the plant such as acquiring the filtration materials and maintaining costs including salaries and infrastructures. Would Kakching consumers be willing to pay the price if it needed to be raised in future. If the govt water supply plant revives, will it be able to compete the price. Of course, uninterrupted service and reasonable price is the key. Good customer service is the key to success. People will pay for good service and good product. Therefore, the quality of water supplied will be critically important.
As others have pointed out, I am not fully familiar with the filtration system. So, it will be important to demonstrate the system clearly to the investors and consumers for confidence. I am sure there is a place for such an undertaking/business enterprise at Kakching and Manipur. If successful, it can be expanded to other towns and cities. It is a general knowledge that out of the ten business start up only one will generally be successful and survive profitably. Keeping this in mind, an entrepreneurship and capital investment seminar may be important to conduct at Kakching. Innovative ideas and models need to be generated suitable for Kakching economic capacity. There are more poor people at Kakching than middle class and rich families. So, there will be very few who will be able to buy water at this time.
A good effort though is needed to be undertaken at Kakching. Investors should understand that business investment is a risk taking adventure, you do not put all your money in one basket. You will learn how to avoid mistakes the next time and improve on your investment. Therefore, investment in electricity, water, roads, sports, arts, crafts and culture and eco-tourism are important undertakings for Kakching economic diversification to be included in Manipur tourism projects. No one is going to come to just see or visit Kakching from outside the state. So it has to be sold together with Imphal and Manipur tourism undertakings. Whenever there is a seminar or convention on Manipur tourism at Imphal, Kakching should send a representative to be included.
Kakching has local potentials but the local people are naive on the state and national level politics and trends. That is my feeling only, may not be true. Economic integration with Imphal and NE states as well as with India and Myanmar will be of great benefit to Kakching. For which we need good drinking water, electricity, road connections, clean city, clean toilet, hotels and restaurants, etc.
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Post by Thoithoi O'Cottage on Apr 8, 2014 9:52:00 GMT 5.5
Our history has done something to our minds--in all of Manipur, not just in Kakching notorious for its social and economic operation considerably independently of the state and its support mechanism (which is a phenomenon dying out)--we are not only fed up with our government with its development rhetoric and spurious welfare practices but also afraid of private business enterprises. The result is, we are an ass dying of starvation between two green grass fields. We have been reared in a non-practicing socio-political ideal of socialism in which everything is taken care of by the government (at least this is what our teachers taught us from the text books), and we were told to beware of capitalism. Most of us are day/dreaming of and expecting a non-happening (it's really impossible) socialism, and we are afraid of "capitalism" without knowing it, just because we are told to fear it (just like a little rat is told by its mother to fear every cat so effectively that the little rat fears even a toy cat), and this fear has been now in our psyche. Due to some psychological and survival reasons most of us are afraid of our neighbors being rich and powerful, while each one of us wants ourselves to be rich, powerful and happy, perhaps without being a threat to our neighbors. Some ideological sociologists associate this fear psychology with "capitalism", and most of us have been successfully terrified.
Is the psychology this indoctrination reasonable? Some may say fear is fear, reasonable or not, and if we fear, we fear! That's it, and there is no question about it! Well! That's nice, but I would beg their pardon and get a few more fathoms down the alterwealthphobiac waters. In all of our families we do everything in ways wonted in our houses for ages and ages--how we cook, how we eat, how we behave to ourselves and to each other, how we treat visitors, and all this has indirectly taught us to look with fear or disgust or dislike or aloofness (and other feelings you can add to this list) at the behavior patters of other communities. We know that if we were born in a Hindu or a Christian family and brought up in a Muslim family, we would have behaved as a Muslim, looked at everything through a pair of Muslim eyes, regarded our family and the community values we cherish (as non-muslim humans) now from a Muslim's value system. We live well in either cases, without hating ourselves for having certain beliefs. The point being made here is that such social disgust, fear, love, etc. are cultural constructs that lay the bricks of our mental makeup, our psychology, and our mentality associated with these things are not the constant K of our mentality. They are variables.
When you are mentally ill, you go to a psychiatrist. Why? Because your current mental state is not life-enhancing, but life-damaging. Certain mental conditions are good, while certain others mental conditions are harmful. When we are in harmful mental conditions we consult a psychiatrist for us to shift from harmful mental conditions to healthy mental conditions. A society may not be in its best mental condition, and if it suffering some effects of its mental illness, the wiser section of the society should know that the mental condition their society is in is harmful and they should make the setting for another mental condition.
What I am saying looks all too obvious, and I agree that it is obvious. But not quite obviously most of us quite comfortably in our wonted zone want others to change and adapt to us (most of the times we blame others for nearly whatever mess), rather than we ourselves change. And we always find some excuse for us not to change--we say "Oh! That's true for America, but not for us!" Do we mean what's true for us is our mess? Yes, our mess is our reality, but our reality can be other than this as well--we can make something different, something better, our reality? Why do we not accept any ideas that won't be part of the pig-and-buffalo game of wallowing in the our mess?
For me, change of X means X undergoes or undertakes something (or some things), in which process X becomes something/somebody that now possesses certain new quality or qualities they did not have earlier. Manipur wants to change, but they do not accept anything different from themselves, do not do anything different from what they do. This is madness, for madness or insanity is nothing but doing the same thing over and over and over again, and expecting a different result. You add 2 to 2 and you want the result to be 5. You add 2 to what you already have, i.e. 2. You add 2 to 2 over and over and over and over again, and the result is the same 4, never 5, and you hate 4. We never think of doing it differently. Anything different is "America" or "foreign", and we are xenophobiac. The Manipuris, it seems, biologically evolved at Kangla, not in any way chemically related with/to any other evolutionary processes beyond its nine insurmountable rings of Himalayan tails.
Our fear of "capitalism" is a phobia, and I'm sure that we have been mistaught or misinformed, inadvertently if not a deliberate indoctrination. In Russia and China people are not any happier. Rather, we do not hear about their human miseries at all. Their loud governments--we only hear their voice. There are political reasons. Interestingly, India's changing economic trends are more clearly visible in Delhi and Mumbai, and then in Hyderabad. India's mixed economy which faced north toward Russia now turns West toward a liberal economic system. Though it would take time, when the snake makes for that, its tail of Manipur will also move toward that. But Manipur's state economic planners and those interested in private economic ventures can hasten the change.
Our current economic state, despite all negative forces, can definitely sustain small to medium private enterprises. Though the public is initially ignorantly afraid of things they are not already familiar with, everything we are familiar with has a beginning, and our familiarity has its history. So interested individuals should not lose courage, but they should be careful. In fact, they can change the mentality of the masses. Their major concern should be quality and pricing. The growth of private business ventures will save Manipur. One example is, no parent who can afford it don't send their children to government schools nowadays? Why? Among many other reasons, most teachers don't go to schools regularly (I know teachers who are regularly irregular, or constantly at home when they should be teaching in schools), and these teachers have stopped reading and learning. Once they attain income security, they stop doing everything. No sense of duty. These people have no confidence in their own selves that they send their children to private schools.
This proves there is room for the feasibility of private ventures and their growth in Manipur. Sell good water, then everybody will buy, because nobody can live without water. Let government water schemes be there, and those which are dead or defunct, let them revive. Even then private water enterprises, like any other enterprises will live and prosper, if the service is good. I think Likla mineral water enterprise is a private venture.
Ah! I've written quite long. My fingers just followed where my mind roamed...It's quite like mind mapping. I'm not sure if it's readable. Please take a look, in pieces, if you can spare some time. I'll look to read it myself again, and make necessary changes for the ease of future readers.
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